Yeah, I saw the siver hupe from Riv but did not like the contact with the frame. I also found a nitto support but it seemed to work the same way. Thanks for the advice on the bagman, I ordered one directly from Carradice for 18 pounds which is not bad at all. The receipt they sent shows free shipping but I will wait and see on that. I got the non QR sport bagman to hold a bag roughly as big as the Pendle.