I think we're in the right thread but it's become more about semantics and defining the word classic. In the context of this forum, you mention "classic bike" and most members think Masi/Raleigh/Peugeot/Vitus or whatever marque they put on the pedestal regardless of frame material.. Modern bikes built in traditional ways are "keepers of the flame". Late model modern carbon and alloy bikes don't really belong in either of those categories...yet.

I'm off the soapbox! Gotta go.