I used to ride Nitto Bullhorns and while they give more hand positions than a flat bar, I recently switched to Deda flats. They are completely no rise or bend - 100% flat. I put on grips and went for a spin tonight (no pun intended). I am not a trickster or messenger. I just feel like the ride is more relaxed, which is what i was looking for. I could have had similar hand positions with the bullhorns but not quite. To hild the horizontal part of bulls, your thunbs would pretty much be snug against the stem and that's kind of awkward and unnatural to me. I like them as wide as my shoulder. What's great is the Dedas are 50 cm and can be cut down to any size. I think mine are 40 cm.