peterpan 1 thanks for that food for thought ,but listen i bought both my look and thorn on the advice of others and i read great reviews on both before i committed myself.the amazon comes highly recommended but is it that good i ask myself emm i know I'm buying a pig in a poke but van nichloas has a good reputation when it comes to making bike .
but yeah is it worth me selling both my bikes for it.
still love to hear from any TI users out there.
thanks all for the comments I'll go to bed and sleep on it.