Reasonably priced for what they are, but they are still pretty darned expensive. There's the statement that Surly is the poor man's Rivendell. Honestly, I see both companies as elitist vintage bikes. Personally I'd rather just get the real thing: an older vintage bike. It might be that once my sons are out of the house and supporting themselves (like that will ever happen) I might be more interested in getting one of those elitist bikes. But I'm happy with my old junk for now.

I could have gotten an A Homer Hilsen frame for $500 from a friend. I turned him down and he ended up selling it for more than twice that on CL. Yeah, it was a nice frame, but I'd rather have a bike I can unobtrusively lock up outside the store or the bar or whatever, confident that no one is really going to covet it while I'm in there.