zzyzx_xyzzy, thanks for the trails angel. I've poked around quite a bit trying to find something that might fit me, but can't seem get the right mix of angle and length. The Echos you found are some wild sizes, though a bit on the long side, and/or angle too shallow for my needs. I have found if I want to go with a new uncut fork I can get another 1.5" in elevation that would put the Echo 125mm x 28º right at the sweet spot. This challenge has made me yearn a bit for the greater flexibility of quill stems.