Originally Posted by
forgewithinfire
Ok, thanks guys! The Salsa Vaya is too upright, the Garry Fisher is ok but I think I'm going with the Surly. I can add brifters later if I need to... too bad it doesn't come in that nice red anymore, just black and montezuma's revenge brown. No idea what crack they were smoking, oh well.
Well if the Salsa is upright, the Surly CC is not. I bought it in part to be able to tackle dirt roads but a secondary concern was to get a little more upright than my several Italian road race bikes. Yeah, I am more upright, barely, lol. It sits aggressive, more so than a hybrid or such as that.
I like my saddle above the seat, if you are one of those guys that think they need the saddle even or above the bars, either buy something other than a CC or get one two sizes too big. The bike has a short head tube and the bars are going to be low as you would expect as a result.
JFYI, measured the way Masi measures their CX bike the 54 Surly CC measures as a 56. The similar steel Masi also has a longer head tube and a sloped top tube so it will sit more vertical, for similar frame sizes IMO.