hey guys, thanks for all the input.
my initial intentions were that it was going to be used for loaded touring, i wanted to go across the country at some point. i did want a classic bike, and he tried to accomodate that idea with classic tubing. i don't think, though, that i was clear enough that i wanted it for a legit touring bike.

now, the builder trained with yamaguchi and is new to the framebuilding business, he knows that, i know that and i don't mind because he's building me the whole frame/fork w. paint at $850. he does know his stuff though, i think he's owned over a hundred bikes or something in his time and they were top end or close to it.

so, i guess i was a bit ambitious in asking for a touring bike from a new builder, but that's why i came to you guys for some extra info, and thank you for the help.
i gave him a call and told him to scrap the touring idea and just go full on road/racing bike. he said at the end of it all, if i don't like it he'll just start over for me and keep that one for himself because we're pretty much the same size.
and if it matters: i'm 6'1 & 195, ride a 58cm square. and i saw some comments about lugging, and it's going to be fully lugged (Vitus).

this was his first build btw \/