I sold my B17N and got a WTB Laser V SLT. The Brooks was a failed experiment for me. It was way too much torture to endure to wear it in. The lack of cutout/channel in the middle was a huge issue for me: chafing along the perineum and numbness, plus I was sliding either backward or forward, just couldn't get it right. The WTB saddle has leather on top, some padding, etc. but its shape suits me much better. I did an overnight tour on it, 65 miles each way and I had zero problems. I even rode back home all day wearing unpadded tights and I didn't have to worry about my butt, no chafing, no numbness, no discomfort during and after the ride. I got on my commuter bike on Monday without feeling anything from the weekend ride. I can't imagine what it would take to wear the Brooks in and why would I want to put up with it.