Wulf, I don't think anyone is debating the fact that this is not a Cinelli. I have a Cinelli and this ain't one, however my Cinelli DOES have eyelets for fenders. As to the plastic cable guide, no one said top tier either, I think the consensus is mid range. Your comment about the stickers? That's just mean. The only stickers this bike has are the two Cinelli ones. I would probably lose those as well, but the Clement wraparound is more of a decal, to my mind, and the Columbus ones don't count.