WEEEEEEEEEELLL....after all that...I got Frogs!! Have to 'trim' the tread on my shoes though. I did some last night but I had a hard time trying not to stab myself!! What should I do that with? I was playing with the cleats and pedals in my hand and WOW those things are easy to release when you want to! Very cool. Hope I can get the pedals off/on myself.