I'm really thinking it's time to get a custom...it's just so damned expensive, and my measurements are fairly standard/don't really justify it. I was looking into a new Hetchins, and a brand new custom Magnum Opus with curly stays is about $1500...not counting any chrome bits. That seems awfully damned reasonable when even unknown local frame guys want $2,000. I have another member who may be helping me find my custom love in Italy...and that's probably my ideal fantasy frame.