Thank you, for your opinions and suggestions.

Sileverbraze, since I somehow seemed to have offended you with my question. I am sorry. I was not "complaining" about the prices I thought there might be someplace somewhere that has to make cheap junk for me to practice the entire process of building a lugged frame with and I do understand that they no longer make production lugged frames, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. My motivation for making a sub $200 dollar frame is to practice and not waste good material on what will undoubtedly be a piece of junk.

I understand that the few companies out there that are in the frame supply industry make an modest living and are running honest, reputable companies I'm not trying to discredit them in anyway.

I understand the costs that go into getting this stuff and maybe I phrased my question poorly which led to a misinterpretation. I thought maybe there was a place that sells the crap that they use to make the bikes in the Taiwan factories and I know I should support the companies that support this industry, but for right now what I am trying to do it is just not make any sense for me to purchase the better parts that could go into building something nice and usable. in the future once I feel comfortable with this process I will be making something nice out of the good materials that the said companies have to offer.

But for now I guess I am much better off practicing on the cheap lugs that Ceeway offers on some old frame steel I have cut up.