Ok bad news, i went to some lbs today to test and all of them had a very limited number of bikes. I got to ride two Giant talon and talon 2 29er's, I liked the talon better. Then got to ride a Gary fisher 29er but it was a rig and the only 29er they had. I liked the Gary Fisher a lot even though it is not what I'm looking for. I'm going to go to another that only carries Specialized tomorrow.