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Old 07-25-10 | 10:24 AM
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Like I said earlier, I think that VC principles, as a pragmatic approach to cycling, are valuable for every one who cycles (or for that matter, every one who drives). VC as an ideology, is, in my view, counterproductive at best. You are conflating these, but I will leave you to build your strawmen.

Okay.... maybe not. Since you mentioned it again- "cyclist-inferiority"- what exactly do you mean? Are you saying that this involves people feeling that cycles and cyclists are have less of a right to the road? Or does this include anyone who acknowledges that there might be relevant differences between multi-ton objects travelling between 60 and 140 km/h, and objects that weigh less than a couple of hundred pounds that travel between 10 and 30 km/h, particularly where force is concerned?

And seriously, who does it help to be condescending, rather than looking for workable solutions? Or do you think that only people who are as cool as you are should be able to cycle?

And finally, like I said in my post, in my experience, more often than not, bicycle infrastructure is complementary to on-road, vehicular cycling. You are saying that promoting cycling infrastructure is, in effect, allying oneself with an agenda that forces cyclists off the road. This is simply false. It is a problem where it happens- to be clear we need both, but I do not know a single advocate of cycling infrastructure who does not want, and promote, both. These cycling advocates that promote restrictions vis a vis cycling on the road are like the Yeti to me- I keep hearing about them, but have yet to find them.

PS Finally, on the above list of jurisdictions where cyclists are forced to use cycling infrastructure, the province of Quebec is mentioned. I have not studies their laws, but I am familiar with how people cycle in the Gatineau and Montreal areas. Lots of people use cycling infrastructure, and lots of people mix it up with traffic. One hand washes the other, and the longer people use the cycling infrastructure, the more emboldened they become using the road. There need not be a contradiction.

PPS And there are now jurisdictions in the US who are trying to eliminate cycling on the roads, without cycling infrastructure. The presence or absence of cycling infrastructure does not stop anti-cycling types from trying to force us off the road.
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