Originally Posted by GiantDefyGuy

Yeah, I think it was more of the kid braking and swerving. But then, I'm basing this on the guy's reaction and the others' reactions to it. His first words were some not-so-nice words about the kid being "ALL OVER THE F&(*@#&$ PLACE!" And it also seemed like the guy was way more experienced than the kid....(not just because of the age). At first, I thought I caused the crash somehow (just for being a noob), but I wasn't even close to it.

It was one of those group rides where everyone doesn't know everyone, so I don't think these 2 had ever ridden together before. (I had never met any of them before sunday).

I'm not placing blame or anything like that, but I'm firmly under the impression that the 'kid' was forward, back, and sideways, and the 'guy' was having to work hard to avoid him. I was behind 'kid' for a little bit, and I had my hand on the brake the whole time.

But it was a great ride though. That was my longest AND fastest ride to date. I felt really good about myself when it was over and I checked my computer. I was all "Holy Crap! I'm FAST!"