I actually did/still am actually considering a Motobecane as my second bike. I read this whole thread and agree with most. Not all Carbon frames are equal. My personal opinion is that the Motobecane carbon frames are poured standard frames instead of hand laid like other MFG who sell bikes for a lot more (again personal opinion). I'm actually looking at thier new Le Champion CF that comes with FULL SRAM RED components. If you price out just this complete group its almost about $2k (bike is only a couple hundred more), so even if the bike frame cracks within first, lets say 1000 miles you still have a lot of your money there in components (that's not even including wheels) that you can use to build up a new bike. That is also assuming BD will not warranty the frame for you. Just my personal opinion on how I see it. Now if my research is WAY off for a complete SRAM RED group than one would have to reconsider but even $1500 and $500 for wheels you are almost at same price for whole bike... but to each there own. I don't think no one can argue about the components they use as all MFG use the same. Just my two cents. Thanks