thanks for the help. Those two look pretty sweet, didn't realize you could even get dura ace for $500.
The first one is a little odd, seems the frame is worth at least as much as the asking price, but the components look pretty beat up. Then again, with a little work, it might end up being a great deal? Until the shifters fail? Most of the advice I've gotten so far is to stay away from bikes that look like they've been crashed or need lots of work...
Craiglook also looks super handy, I'll be using that for sure!
So your advice would be to wait a bit and see what I can snag out of the gate, rather than grabbing one of these?