So I have been constantly fiddling with this bike. Ended up raising the seat up even more, and also lowered the handlebars 2 spacers. Unfortunately my cat stole my tape measure, and haven't found it or got a new one, I think they are 1cm each.

Then realized I was always riding on the tops of the bars. So moved the handlebars back up and also rocked them back a bit. Not gonna touch it for 1 week and force myself to ride on the hoods only. Think I am pretty satisfied with the seat height now, my legs aren't burning out as quick and feel more burning it other muscles.

I use this bike to commute, and probably doesn't help lugging a bunch of crap on my back.

It's crazy since this whole time I was thinking that this bike was too small for me, I have to raise the seat so high that it causes excessive seat to handlebar drop. But right now there is just under a 3" drop. According to everything I have read, its in range. The sloped top tube exaggerates the seat post height.

Dave, I know you say those numbers are worthless, but for example these specialized bikes that have sloping tubes still have a virtual number. For example my bike has a seat tube length center to top of 51.5. But the tube slopes, so that number is pointless. The sticker I pulled off the bike showed an imaginary line straight across with a measurement of 56 (not sure if it was center to center, or center to top though). And then a top tube of 56.5.

Those above recommendations all make sense now. A longer seat tube wouldn't hurt, but a shorter head tube is needed. Kinda happy I didn't go with the 58 now, would of been even worse off than I am now.

I do really like the bike though, just wish I could love it.