Sorry rufvelo... I was just stating my own personal opinion. I already have a bike Felt F70 I just got. I was just makin a statement for my next upgrade that I would consider it because of the components that come with the bike. Why shell out $4K for a full carbon bike when you can get one at half the price with equal or maybe in some instances better components. "If" the frame fails or whatever one can always pick one up. That's all I'm saying.