Honesty i am curious here because the debate about the actual product, not customer service, brand name etc, seems to be that BD FRAMES are bad, as the components are obviously name brand. It seems by my estimation they are bought bulk as leftovers, then mixed and matched on the bikes based on mostly what they have, hence the eclectic fsa, tiagra, 105 etc mixes. I seriously doubt the actual components are factory rejects, because Shimano etc. would not put their names on parts that are not up to spec regardless of who sells them, as this would affect the component manufacturer's reputation as much as that of BD.

So, as it can easily be shown that the bike is cheaper than the sum of its components, as are most full bikes anyway, and people feel that the actual frames of the bikes are bad. Usually i hear this not so much about integrity so much as the paint and finish. If it is the actual integrity of the frame in doubt, then, one can still transfer the components to a bare frame if the BD one does fail eventually. I don't think that many people describe this as happening, even those who do not like the bikes. And in that case you are still ahead on the purchase price by the value of the components.

I bring this up because I am saving to buy one of the BD bikes and I want to know if this is basically what the problem is with product they sell, in the opinion of the people who say they are no good boils down to, or if I am missing something here?

*Also, while on the topic of frame quality, are the basic Nashbar road frames any good?