So i went back to the LBS (actually the farthest away of 4 local ones... i prefer this one). I rode secteur and Allez. Secteur had about 1cm higher handlebars with all spacers under and stem down. Allez also had all spacers and stem down. The difference was that today i rode 61cm bikes. The cockpit definately felt smaller, but it is more 'different' than it is wrong. Both bikes definitely felt snapper than my current (BD cyclocross) bike. I also think that my seat to BB position was much better, i think it was a tad more 'forward' on the specialized bikes, even though the seat angles were similar, and i have the seat pretty far forward on my current bike at this time.

I think I am leaning toward the secteur because i have lots of room to move down in spacers to get a lower more 'aggressive' position, but was very comfy as it were. I think it may be harder to get the allez into a more comfortable position for longer rides. But it is so hard to decide... I am sure either way I go, it will leave me wanting some aspect of the other. However, the front/rear zerts in the secteur were awfully plush.

The WB difference in the 61cm models is about 2 cm, which i am not convinced will make a huge difference. Head tube angle is 0.5* different i believe.

Regardless, both bikes rode GREAT. My wife is getting a new (demo) dolce on friday, so while she is getting fitted, i will probably ride both 61's again. I am glad to believe that I can safely fit on a 61 as well, because it gives me WAY more options for available bikes.

Thanks for listening... i hate deciding on a new member of the family.