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Old 09-14-10 | 09:36 AM
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PaulRivers
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Originally Posted by CCrew
I think the answer to that depends on where you are. But for the most part yes, I'd say I'm correct. As indicated by the responses to the many "do you stop for stop signs" or "do you stop for red lights" threads that pop up here. There's certainly a large contingent of cyclists that think that because they're driving something other than a car that the rules don't apply to them. Hell, even I'm guilty of some of those behaviors.

Combine that with the A+ personalities of a large portion of cyclists I'd still say yes.
Yeah, I rather agree as well. With the "I'm on a bike so I should be able to do whatever I want, stupid cars" attitude you see on the forums quite frequently here - and frankly I'm sure the worst offenders don't even come onto the forums - there's no doubt in my mind that the only reason a certain number of bikers aren't even more aggressive is because they're physically smaller than cars. Just take a look at any thread where bikers filter to the front at a stoplight, start up before the cars, then complain because the cars that now have to pass them aren't considerate enough when passing them (usually comments about "they couldn't gotten to where they're going 15 seconds later?", when that's exactly what motivated the cyclist in the first place).

Now to be fair, it *really* depends on where you live. I live with a fairly bike-friendly culture on the streets here in Minnesota. A lot of times I feel that I get more respect on the road on my bike than I get in my car. But I traveled an hour east into Wisconsin for a couple of rides, and it's a whole different ballgame. Motorists are more like the other poster described - pushy, aggressive, like they personally own the road and everyone should get the hell off it - sometimes even other cars. I've had people yell stuff at me in Minnesota (probably teenagers) as they pass me in my car, but that's the worst that's happened. In Wisconsin I had a truck speed past me in the other lane so close that oncoming traffic had to pull off onto the shoulder.

Whole different world. And that's why, I think, some of the arguments can go on forever between otherwise rational people on this topic - because they're genuinely talking about different behavior from the drivers they're interacting with.
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