I think that's what is missing from the advocacy. They're not the same roads. Cyclists are likely to ride secondary roads much more often and so they see a lot more stop signs with no traffic in sight.

Same roads same rights would make my routes look like the ones I drive: Leave neighborhood for collector, drive on collectors to destination. Instead I find back routes wherever possible and use collectors occasionally to make connections that are missing. And *most* cyclists in my city ride the same way.

No one should be surprised that they don't make legal stops at all 12 abandoned stop signs on their 30 minute ride.



We may have the same rights to the same roads, but we use them differently. And that's part of the beauty of cycling. Those side streets are actually useful on my bike. In my car they're just in the way.