Originally Posted by
achoo
Third, given the literally millions if not hundreds of millions of man-hours cyclists spend in traffic each year compared to the paucity of hours cyclists spend in lightning storms, you have yet to make YOUR case. Given that, you can't claim AT ALL that "it's clear" when YOU admit you don't have any evidence to support your claim.
By your very own numbers, there's a two-order-of-magnitude greater number of cyclists killed in traffic each year than the number of cyclists killed by lightning. Since there's a two-order-of-magnitude difference in deaths, if cycling in lightning is less dangerous than cycling in traffic, an average cyclist would have to, on average, spend more than 1% of the time spend cycling in traffic also cycling in lightning.
In other words, given YOUR numbers, for your claim to be true that traffic is more dangerous, the average cyclist who spends 10 hours a week cycling in traffic would also have to average at least 6 minutes per week cycling in lightning.
EVERY cyclist in the US of A would have to AVERAGE that.
They don't.
Your numbers are WRONG.
Your "understanding" of statistics is WRONG.
Being a smug condescending jerk who claims superior "understanding" doesn't change that.
WTF does actions to improve safety in lightning have to do with the relative risk of cycling in lightning versus cycling in traffic?
You might as well have posted a link to a recipe for clam chowder.
Must have been some good arguments you had with yourself - and lost.
To paraphrase the statistically challenged individual who started this arguement, you have a sampling error. In fact it is more of a domain error. The domain is not all cyclists, but those who are riding in an unsafe manner. Lets discuss just the first unsafe operation discussed; salmoning. A study in Washington (state not city) indicated that for the year studied 11% of the cyclist fatalities were in situations where the cyclists was traveling in a contraflow manner. Extrapolating the results nationally that would mean approximately 77 deaths annually for salmoning cyclists...
That you and the other guy seem to have a problem with the simple statement that "
..seeking safe shelter, while riding in a safe manner..." is the best advice in the OP's situation is beyond me... I'm guessing you just like hearing yourselves argue.
In reference to your WTF sentence. I simply was providing useful information for the OP and those who came to see the answer considering the thread title... You know if your out and a thunderstorm comes up, what shelters are available in given environments.
I wish you and the other gentleman a nice day. Please go argue with someone else now.