i have some old cinelli unicanitor. not the plastic one, it's leather, but thats all the padding, just a leather cover. but it is hard as hell, and can get aggitating on longer rides. it's fine if i'm riding to work. or around town. but for long rides cycling shorts with some padding are great. im a stichler for the "not a roadie *****" look, so i just wear them under some pants or something. but they're very comfortable. and i still get to have my vintage cinelli seat. cuz im a tool for looking good.