I went out and put in some miles before an early morning casual ride. The local "fast ride" was out on its 3rd mile or so. I was warmed up and passed em at about 23 mph. I got to the casaul ride and someone asked me about the fast ride. I said "yeah, I caught them and went by at 23". They said "I hear they almost never go under 25". Another guy said "yeah but that is only on the internet".