I sure didnt mean to start a pissing match here. I was just looking for some care advice and riders with similar concerns. I learned two things from this. Robncircus had some good advice, and fleabiscuit is a dbag. Do you just look for threads that annoy you and then do your best to derail them? If you had nothing positive to say about the subject then why did you? You can poke fun at the Jiffy Lube guy all day. Just not to his face though right? I can't stand Lady Gaga. So when I see a thread that says Lady Gaga is awesome, I probably wont even open it. If only you could have gotten to the Jiffy Lube guy sooner. He probably would have done great things for society.