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Old 10-27-10, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mihlbach
Keep in mind that not all frames leave clearance for fenders, so while it is possible to mount fenders without eyelets, that does not mean you will be able to fit the fenders between the tires and the frame/fork. Many frames will work with fenders, but only with the narrowest of tires. Its better to have lots of tire choices. Also, don't assume that just because a bike has fender eyelets there is actually clearance for fenders. I've seen numerous bikes that have fender eyelets on the frame and fork, but barely any clearance for fenders. Before you buy the frame, be sure it will work with fenders and the tire size of your choice.

Fenders also increase the amount of toe overlap, so you should avoid really steep head tube frames. The Kilo WT (http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/.../kilott_wt.htm) is a good example of bad design. Its built with eyelets and plenty of clearance and it seems to be intended as a do-it-all bike, but the unnecessarily steep geometry (which is intended to conform to a fad, not function) is going to result in excessive toe-fender overlap for most people. Toe-fender overlap is dangerous because its possible for the fender to kep swept up by the tire, forcing it through the fork and sending you over the bars. I've seen it happen.
These are good points. And points out some of the drawbacks of my bike. The 660 is more of a crit bike and I have toe-lap issues. In the summer it's really not much of a problem, but I have knocked the fender off with my toe in the winter (hence the quick releases of the SKS fenders). And the biggest tire I can use with fenders is 25 mm. (28mm without)
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