Originally Posted by
cc700
i just looked into the crusade ss frame and i may have been summarily harsh. i think a good portion of design is done within those two companies, and spec'd to the framebuilders in asia. not just paint.
a traitor ringleader built up with all-city parts would be pretty amazing, not terribly expensive, and pretty unique. traitor also offers some parts, i love their saddles.
The ringleader definitely does look nice. Do you think the main reason for the price difference is because the frame is fillet brazed? I kind of thought that and that's why I was sticking with the cheaper Luggernaut. And I do like the look of lugs. I will also check out the other frame recommendations you made earlier.