oh haha yes thats what i meant, relative to the ground.

basically, i got a traitor ringleader frame only for a super good deal. however no fork. the fork the frame usually comes with results in level top tube. a fork i am looking at is very slightly longer, but has slightly more rake.
was told by traitor dude longer fork would mean slightly sloped top tube on the complete bike, but i was thinking the longer rake would subtract some of that slope.