After reading this thread I feel better about not buying the pair I saw that were supposed to be new and in my size on Craiglsist for $20. I bet they are great shoes, but based on what people have said and what I am now looking for in shoes they wouldn't be for me. I am sure whoever got them are pretty excited. They looked really awesome in the pic. I need to stop going for cheap or just what looks nifty that is my size and get quality and comfort. Thats so hard for me because I like shoes (my wife barely has more than me) and I am cheap. =)