"Is post #5 not showing up for you? "

I have to admit, I saw goats, cyclocross, and Campy and decided not to read it. But I have one to two objections. One is I think I read about those tektro brakes and looked them up and they were expensive enough that I didn't see it as something I couldn't already get from just buying any premium brakes, without tektro stamped on them. And then there is the fact that if you shorten the arms, you get to use the levers, but they loose the advantage they had in stopping power. In all truth the advantage is just based on dimensions. You want large enough cantis, you can have those advantages, and disadvantages also.

Where retro does come into it, is that while I have owned and am not confused by Vs. If they have no advantage over cantis, I probably have aesthetic and generational preferences for cantis that would over rule using Vs. I assume the same will one day be true for folks growing up today discs.

Speaking of retro cantis that outperform all Vs - Self energizing cantis. They will lock your wheel up like a bank vault, using cheap black pads, and with OK modulation, regular levers, etc.... A bit ugly, just because they aren't high end brakes. Maybe Paul should make some.