Originally Posted by
dwmckee
I use a two legg Esge kickstand on our tandem now and love it... The esge holds the rear wheel off the ground like a motorcycle stand and the bike is completely vertical so no lean to worry about. Front wheel can turn either way without affecting balance and as long as panniers are roughly balanced in weight it is stable as heck.
That's pretty funny, you seem to like the ESGE for precisely the same reasons I dislike it. I've found this stand to be very unstable, due to the fact that it keeps the bike vertical - in that position, I've found it's very prone to topple one way or the other. When I am loading panniers onto the bike, then whichever side I put on first, the bike wants to topple that way. With the Greenfield Stabilizer rear kickstand, on the other hand, the natural lean of the bike makes it extremely stable. I can simply load the side away from the stand first, and the lean with counteract the uneven weight while I attach the other pannier.
Another problem with the ESGE (as I see it): You have to raise the bike off the ground in order to put the stand down. This is obviously possible, but not something I really want to be doing with a loaded bicycle all day long. With the Greenfield Stabilizer, there is no lifting, you simply kick the stand down with a foot and lean the bike.
And another: The fact that the front wheel is raised off the ground with the ESGE (since the rear is usually heavier) means that the front wheel wants to swing around to one side or the other. When the bike is fully loaded, I have found that this tends to swing the front panniers around and destabilize the bike. The Greenfield Stabilizer, in contrast, makes the bike swing into a natural "neutral" position with the front wheel positioned on the same side as the stand. It's very stable like this, and the lean means that the bike is much harder to topple than when it is dead vertical. With the Stabilizer the bike basically forms a tripod (front wheel, back wheel, stand), which is an extremely stable construct.
I have actually had my bikes topple a few times with the ESGE. Both bikes I have used this on (a Novara Safari and a Co-Motion Americano, my current bike) are singles, but I have heard other tandem users praise the 2-legged ESGE, so maybe it works better with the longer bike? I don't know. For me, it just doesn't work well.
The only benefit of the ESGE is that it does make a good workstand, as long as the cranks clear the stand legs. Then you can work on the drivetrain, and also take off the rear wheel without risking dragging the chain in the dirt. But the most common use of a kickstand is to just support the bike when I stop, and for that I much prefer the Greenfield Stabilizer.
I'm going to get Co-Motion to add a custom plate at some point on the chainstay of my Americano, because I can't currently use the Stabilizer due to the disk brakes.
Neil