yup, it doesn't take long for the vanilla frame price to go into the stratosphere - of course, that depends upon what you want on it. sacha is about to start my sspeed project and we discussed various frame options. keeping it simple the frame/fork will stay under $2K, but if you go with stainless lugs plan on adding about $900. again, it's all personal choice and how much $$$ you want to sink in vs what you will get out of the bike. i had planned to go with some stainless lugs, but i've alread spent a bundle on collecting campy cobalto components - not to mention the phil wood hubs and bottom bracket.

either way, sacha's great to work with and extremely helpful.