I love my bar mitts, full fingered gloves really bother my hand crotch and with bar mitts I can typically just use my summer gloves, I typically don't ride much below 15F anyways. They're really a great product, I've tried all kinds of gloves and this is the best solution, I don't typically use the flats anyways and drops aren't all the necessary for me either when I'm running studded tires, I'm not looking to set any records once I go into winter mode anyways. Definitely one of the best winter riding investments for sure.