Just be aware that at least one of the reviews of the Avenir pads on Amazon is from me -full disclosure. So you aren't getting a second opinion on them between here and there if they are both me. I'm not sure there are any others on there at all unless they were put up in the last day or so. I really love them though. Perahps there are others out there who have had bad experiences with them. I do know that the standard no-name black pads you can buy at your local LBS are terrible.