I'll agree on the bare frame set math, but that is another discussion. Sorry, but it is. The OP wanted to compare a complete bike and even though he failed hard for what he was comparing... that is still the thread's point. How about we just drop all sensibilities and include used frames off of Craigslist?

@ Mcjim, I am not assuming anything about your intentions with a new frameset. The thread is to compare new, complete bikes. Simple concept.