thanks tsl. per your advice I took them for a ride last night. what an improvement over a single lowly NOkian A10 in front!

also arriving in the mail was a pair of Lake winter boots, which I found on ebay in part based on your recommendation. I"ve had it fussing with multiple layers of socks, booties, etc.

Jim, I almost rode today and wished I had. gotta teach tmw but will give it a shot on Friday