Old 02-16-11 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bekologist
robert, comparing crash rates to usage is sound methodology, albeit basic. you don't like accepted crash reporting methods or the manner in which cities and the US Census Bureau's American Community Surveys estimate ridership, sure, your position is apparent.

How about taking a step back from your numerology and take a look at on the ground reality.

Think about this:

The widely observed and even planned for traffic dynamic of "awareness in numbers" becomes self evident when applied on a grander scale in pedestrian squares, woonerf'd home zones and the like in cities across Europe. This is indisputable. A more elaborate explanation is not necessary. Dig into European traffic planning all you want, awareness in numbers is a genuine traffic dynamic.

I have no idea why you continue to try and argue against this reality of the commons. I still can't tell if you're pretending that it doesn't exist, or if you really just don't get it. Oh, right, the Jacobson statistics don't exhibit enough rigor for you, American Community Survey data is so off the mark its value in estimating american demographics is, what was it again, 'fundamentally bogus.'




New York City's reworking of public road space into public plazas and complete streets are also having a widely measurable, in your face and obvious positive effect on public safety and crash rates for all road users.

This awareness in numbers phenomenon is bona fide.

Your overreaching smears of a hypothesis that is being proven in city after city, whose effects are being exhibited on the nascent rebirth of north america's equitable streetscapes, turns your criticism into curmudgeon.

(my apologies if i've embedded any sentence fragments that might sully any part time epistemology being applied to this thread topic. its 4 am and i'm up to take the GF to the airport.)
Well Bek, it may not be a safety in numbers thing... it could be a safety in novelty thing. It could be that the changes in the environment in those particular cities is giving rise to motorists to pay attention to the changes, to the cyclists how ever many or few, and note these changes and subtly react to the changes until they are again familiar and the motorists again become complacent.
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