I understand your point MadHatter, but it doesn't really apply here. My question for you is, whould you start your daughter ina 200 dollar P.O.S that didn't have seatbelts or would you buy her that nice 4-cylinder thats say 3-4 thousand? You are comparing two perfectly safe cars, i'm comparing a safe bike and an unsafe one. It's not the matter of money I'm talking about, if it was I would entirely agree with you, but my concerns with those bikes are safety issues, you can't put a price on someones(in this case your daughters) life.