Hi there. I don't want this to be the zillionth discussion on spandex. I do wear regular tight spandex shorts, but the other day I saw some roadies with these black shorts that are not tight fitting but not as baggy as MTB shorts and have the same length as regular spandex shorts, i.e. not extending below the knees like those that bike messengers have.

They look good and comfortable. Anyone knows what these shorts are and where to get them? Or any suggestion on non-tight-fitting, non-baggy cycling shorts?

Thanks.