Good point about the spoke count. I have the RS80s, 16/20 fr/r spokes...I love their ride but I'm 170 pounds. I've also have some EA90SL with 20/24 spokes which are great, about the same weight, and I saw them at Performance recently for $450, so with 10% in brownie points...they are a great deal, and have great warranty service as they are located in SoCal. My vote for our larger friend is Eastons (forgot to mention the Shimano spokes tend to turn black/rust)