there've been a few builds in this thread that keep me coming back. it takes a sort of artistic license to built up a straight up PLAIN, BLACK(or other color, whatever), BORING frame... and make it look good. i like that. it demonstrates a level of finesse that half the cats buying undersized keirin frames have. keep on that ****. **** the people that incite the whole "polishing a turd" philosophy... it's a piece of metal, make it work for you.