sbslammer: As the OP did you ever pull the trigger on one of them? I'm thinking about the team pro classic as well. It's 273x160 vs 275x175 of the B17. The B17 Narrow which was very unagreeable with my buttocks was 279x151 - for crying out loud, it's narrower than most track saddles that Japanese riders ride on. You can see the TPC is in the middle between the B17 and B17 Narrow. Weights are 400-500g, not much difference - just know it as "anchor heavy". hah.