how often have you slept on the cold ground? i used to, when i was a teenager. it sucks the life right out of you. you can deal with that?

hmm. and have you ever slept in a bivy like that? there is condensation inside EVERY bivy.

a laminate bivy always packs huge. that thing is going to pack up the size of your tarptent, Nun. avoid.

6x8 Siltarp, sleeping pad, sleeping quilt. you can wrap yourself in it if needed. the SOS bivys will keep you alive in a bivy situation.

getting damp in an emergency bivy situation isn't the worst.

you're only going to maybe need it.

what if its nice, beautiful, calm, and you WANT to camp out?