I completely disagree. I'm sure it's possible to build a set of wheels with Open Pros that turns out to be junk, but the rims themselves are nice. I've got a set of wheels with Ultegra hubs and Open Pro rims that have been fantastic. I got a derailleur caught in the spokes during a cyclocross race last year -- the derailleur broke into three pieces, the derailleur hanger bent nearly 45 degrees, the chain bent in several places...I can't even imagine the forces that were involved...but the wheel survived. I replaced the damaged spokes, and today the wheel is as good as new.