Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
If you want to sum the debate up, I think we all agree with the axiom: "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles," but we don't agree on the axiom: "bike lanes are the antithesis of being treated as drivers of vehicles." The first axiom is not being questioned, and is the basis for specific VC cycling techniques. The second axiom is very much in dispute and the very reason for this 28 page debate. In fact, there is probably disagreement that the second statement is, indeed an axiom. Bike lane advocates will say that the second statement does not follow from the first while ideologically oriented VC'ists will claim the second statement follows directly from the first.
There will be no winners here. Simply better understanding of different viewpoints. Only time will tell if any minds were changed by the discussion.
Good point. I do agree with first axiom. But for me the second is "many bike lanes implementations can often make it more complex or ambiguous to be treated as a driver of vehicle'
Al