Originally Posted by Painful Chafe

Kind of exactly what I said above. Others seem to think that Force is best bang for the buck. I really don't believe that is true. Rival feels very much like Force. Force is about 1/4lb lighter. So you are paying about $400 more for a couple of grams at the most. I would suggest getting the Force cranks. You will save quite a bit of weight there and they can be had new for about $150.

BTW, I'm not biased. I just swapped my 105 for Force this weekend, but "bang for the buck", I would say Rival and Force cranks.