Originally Posted by noisebeam
Easy to say, but I'd wager impossible to change in reality. There are many hundreds of such intersections in phx-metro, no simple infrastructure change like removing the bike lane paint would be. Changing driver behavior for this would be harder than getting everyone to stop speeding as there are no laws and no enforcement possible. Not only that but the natural tendency is for cars to merge a bit left away from the curb before a right turn so as not to clip their tires on the curb. I see these every day.
This is one reason why I think road accomodation has to be taken on a regional basis. I've been to Phoenix exactly once, but did notice there were many, many major intersections. Maybe WOL's work best there.
Have you ever tried pulling close to a curb (in a car) before a right turn? Sure it can be done, but your passengers will be complaining about the jerkiness of the turn or you will have to severely slow down well below the speeds that currently 90% of drivers corner at around here.
Where intersections are like this here in Beaverton, the corner is rounded more to allow a turn from closer to the curb.
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